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Venise and the dalmates



Etymology of the name Schiavon

Schiavon -Scklavinoi - Slo-veneti - Slovenci- Slovene ... all the same

These are some quotes, from a book I just read, about the etymology of the name and derivates.

"Greek "Scklavinoi", latin "Slaveni" (…) " Veneti qui et Sclavi dicuntur" "Sclavi coinomento Winidi"

"In many areas due to the relative long existence of the ancient Venetic people, the Venetic field-names become noticeably more frequent.(…)The preservation of the Slovenes meaning of these names through millennia is a strong indication that the bearers of of this prehistoric culture were the Veneti, the predecessors of the Slovenes(…)

"Also characteristic is the nationality name i.e., Schiavi ( the slavs) . In the Marmolada mountain group we find the Cima Schiavoni 2570m. and near Lorenzago above the Piave, Mont Schiavoni, 2317m..(…) Col Schiavon 1243m, (Slavic summit)(…) The name variations, Schiavoni, Schiavi, or Schavo appear also in the southern provinces" (…)

"Almost of these names, including those that derive from "Sclavoni', originated with the Venetic (Slavic) Carni Pre-Roman and pre-celtic times" (…)

(…) "It should be mentioned that the name Slovan first appear in historical documents in the greek form Sklabenoi, during the 6th century. Why this form? Everything indicates that the earlier form Sloven(c)i had been gradually displaced by the shorter Sloveni or Slaveni. This then became the latin Sclavus witch, as a resuls of the prisoners from Slavs countries, came to be synonymous with slave". (…)

"The Vita St.Columbiani(618) also confirm the fact that during the beginning of the 7th century both names Sclavi and Veneti, had been used synonymously. There it is written how St Columban intended a journey to the land of theVeneti also called Slavs". p321

"There is a certain amount of objection to Slovene toponym in the northern italy: The opposition insist that they are due to a migration of Slovenes into the Friouli in the middle age. A few names could perhaps been explained away in this manner, but this hypothetical settlement is a question in itself and cannot in the least explain the whole series of places named after the Slavs. In the Eugeanean hills southeast of Padova there is a place called Schiavanoia, and west of here Schiavicone, north of Padova: Schiavo, a Po River tributary called Schiavenna and south of Este (Venetic Ateste) a place called Schiavonia and so on"

The slaves were obviously present in the western Alps and northern Italy during Roman and pre-Roman times, otherwise where did these names come from "(…) p334

Ref :Jozko Savli, Matej Bor, Ivan Tomazic

For more articles about Veneti see this blog of Anton Skerbinc, translator of the book up mentionned

You want to know where you come from? I suggest you read this article sent by Jože Katern about Slovenes origins ( to be translated from Slovenian by a robot translator I installed on this page- site where you will find a lot of information about our origins), source www.hervardi.com (Slovenian).

Also you may found interesting to read a book about the slovenes history, witch will tell you what are your real origin. Read the foreword from the english edition of this book Veneti : First Builders of European Community: Tracing the History and Language of the Early Ancestors of Slovenes by Dr. Jozko Savli and others. This book trace the history of the ancient Veneti and tell you a great deal about the name Schiavon.

Venice and the Dalmatia ones

The origin of our name Schiavon (as well as Schiavoni, Schiavone, or other) goes up in Venice of the Middle Age. Venitiens baptized us Schiavoni, and we adopted this nickname like our patronym. The name took then various consonnances.

Venice, prestigious city, Near the gulf which bears its name, in the north of the Adriatic Sea, significant corridor where the Dalmatian boats came to accost for their goods. This bank of the channel St Marc bears from now on the name which gave him the Venetian ones: Riva degli Schiavoni (bank of the esclavons).

I found on Internet references to the fact that the name Schiavon comes from slave! "They sell without heart, future Slaves slaves to the Arab merchants. The "La Riva degli Schiavoni", of his true name, Dock of the slaves, in Venice east is one of the vestiges of this period ref:http://www.africamaat.com/".

I am not linguist, but, looking at everyone research, I believe that the term "riva degli schiavoni" does not mean "Dock of the slaves" because one would write in Italian "riva degli schiavi", but means well "Dock of the Slovenes". Although into the Schiavoni, we find slaves as well as mercenaries, companies like the Scuola degli Schiavoni , this nickname refers to their country of origin and not to their state of slave.

La Schiavonia

(Clic here for a better definition) The Dalmatian shore - Stefano Bonsignori. many similar maps in Museums

Photo taken at Florence, Italia by Leonardo de Lucca Schiavon
Florianopolis, Santa Catarina, Brasil, during a visit in 2004

Here is a quote from the book Veneti:

" It should be mentioned that the name Slovan first appears in historical documents in the greek form Skiabenoi during the 6th century. Why this form? Everything indicates that the earlier form sloven[?]sei had been gradualy displaced by the shorter sloveni or slaveni. This became the latin Sclavus witch, as a result of the prisonner from slavic countries, came to be synonyous with slave" ref Veneti: First Builders of European Community, by Dr. Jozko Savli. and cie p 32

Schiavon, a few celebrities

Schiavone, Andrea Meldola, Known as (about 1520-1563)

Schiavone Andrea, Italian painter

Andreï Medulich (or Andrija Medulic) known as Andrea Schiavone or Andrea Meldola de Hiadra,   Italian magnerist painter and engraver (born in Zara or Zebenico, Dalmatie, before 1520- Venice 1-2-1563).   First, student of Veronèse in Venice, he works from 1527 to 1530 in the workshop of the Parmesan in Bologna.  After his establishment in Venice in 1541, he is encouraged and supported by Titien.  He paints in majority compositions similar to reliefs, in tone progressively darkening as the evolution of its work. Let us quote its many tables not dated:  Diane and Callisto  (musée of Picardy, Amiens).  Ref: Lelarge, Dictionaire de La Peinture Des Origines À nos jours.

Andrea Schiavone (~1500-1563) was born in Zadar or Nadin [ would be funny to know ].  He began his artistic career in Sibenik then in Venice.  His works is disseminated in all Europe:  Zadar, Sibenik, Zagreb, Venice, Milano, Florence, Naples, Torino, Paris, London, Oxford, Richmond, Dublin, Amsterdam.

Schiavone, Giorgo Chioulinovich, known as(1436-1504)

Italian Painter born in Scardona in Dalmatie. He was the pupil and the disciple faithful of Squarcione to Padoue, and tried to compete with Mantegna in the stressing of the anatomy and the archaeological richness (Polyptique of the virgin to the child, National Gallery- London). He multiplied rather banal Madonna, who must much in Philippo Lippi (Museum Correr-Venice-Rigksmuseum Amsterdam). As of 1642, it was back in Dalmatie, in Zara of access then in Sebenico, where he ends his life. He however seems still to have worked for the Italian churches, but the attribution of certain retables poses delicate problems. The museum Jacquemart-Andre in Paris, preserves of him a " Portrait d' Homme ", which counts as one of its best fabrics.

La Schiavona- the Dalmatian woman

femmeLa Schiavona - The Dalmatian woman

Portrait of a Lady ('La Schiavona') about 1510-12

TITIAN about 1487 - 1576

Presented in through the National Art Collections Fund by Sir Francis Cook, Bt., in memory of his father, Sir Herbert Cook, Bt., 1942.

The painting, known by the 17th century as 'La Schiavona' , must date from 1510-12.

The initials T.V. on the parapet probably stand for Tiziano Vecellio. The raised portion of the parapet is a revision, and drapery originally painted there now shows through it. The profile relief, inspired by those on antique cameos, seems to be of the same sitter.

Schiavon Vittorio (?_ 1918)

Recently the Amsterdam Historical Museum aquired a painting of
Prinsengracht (canal) by Vittorio Schiavon. All we know is that he was
born in Triest en died in 1918.
We have nothing else about his biography.

Do you have more information about this artist and family member? Please send any information to Annemarie de Wildt conservator/curator of the Amsterdams Historisch Museum Willet-Holthuysen.

Prinsengracht canal by Vittorio Schiavon
There is another painting from this artist " WESTERKERK, AMSTERDAM"